(Conversation below between me and Magic: The Gathering Hall of Fame member elect Paul Rietzl discussing the magic.wizards.com website and Magic Online).
Matt Sperling
So, I don't know
whether to start this State of the Magic Technology Union exchange with the
website or the MTGO software. What's on the top of your list at the moment?
Paul Rietzl
My Grandfather and
the rest of my family. They like to follow my progress at the tournaments, but
are so frustrated by the inanity of the Magic website that it makes it hard.
They wish it was possible to find what they want to read about. My Grandfather has
multiple advanced degrees, but this website is uncrackable.
Matt Sperling
Old people don't
love change, and I'd be ready to blame your grandpa’s likely advanced age for
some part of this except I myself also cannot find the coverage 9 times out of
10. sideboard.com used to redirect to the event coverage page, which had simple
links. It can't be difficult to point sideboard.com to the new event page, can
it? That doesn't seem like an intractable problem, but you also end up on the
old website if you click the first Google result for many key searches. Wizards
owns these formerly popular pages, why don't they redirect them? Maybe if their
website just displayed cat pictures or something it wouldn't matter that they
changed the layout and organization so much, but I need to LOOK THINGS UP. I
need information. Maybe if I click this banner at the top 10 times it'll take
me somewhere....
Paul Rietzl
This is not to
mention all the broken links, bugs, and generally baffling UX/UI decisions.
Similarly to MTGO, I sometimes feel the website is part of a large social
experiment, like they are trying to determine the commitment level of the
player base. Only the deeply enfranchised or clinically insane would continue
to attempt to use magic.wizards.hasbro.screwyou.whatever it is these days. I
took it off my bookmarks some time ago and hope all relevant information will
be tweeted. It makes me feel really bad for the hard-working people in R&D
that make this awesome game, only to be confronted daily with soul-crushing
negativity.
Matt Sperling
I also feel bad for
Wizards employees not involved in these decisions directly. At first I thought,
"Someone should have stood up in a meeting at some point and yelled WE
CAN'T SHIP THIS. The blame ultimately rests on the decision-makers' shoulders, but
this thing is so bad that there needed to be some canaries flying out of that
mine." But here is my best guess at why it didn't actually play out that
way: when the design team handed this off internally and they said to the
regular Magic teams "you guys can try it out now" they didn't have
Google to help them out so they wouldn't go searching for obscure stuff, they
would just probably click around and check it out - and they probably had
"dummy" articles and/or static pages like "Learn How to
Play!", not a bunch of live material. So early testers were (I am
guessing) not clicking on banners with broken links, not trying to view top 8
decklists for recent events because decklists are not being automatically
loaded in, etc. They're not trying to find coverage of the Grand Prix going on
that day because that information isn't hosted on the dummy/sandbox website
yet. I can see how this maybe slipped past them.
They probably
decided to ship this atrocity because the layout feels more modern and the
static pages mostly work. But the layout doesn't matter if you can't find the
page you're looking for. And for those of us who use the site often, unless
we're looking for a giant picture of Garruk against a black background, we end
up very frustrated.
Paul Rietzl
Let’s hunt bigger
game. Magic: The Gathering’s online game offering has some shortcomings.
Matt Sperling
Around the MTGO
version 4 (v4) release, I was among the people beating the drum of "cmon
guys, it's not THAT bad ... it's maybe only a few tweaks away from actually
being better than v3, and now those tweaks can actually arrive." Is the
blood now on my hands, too?
Paul Rietzl
I blame you, but
only a little. I blame you, and everyone else who defended this atrocity, for
making me so optimistic. Until now, I’ve taken the approach “What can I
personally do to help WOTC get V4 to the point where it’s fun for me to use?”
But all the positivity has been sucked out of me. Here’s a recent experience I
had. I like to sell cards that I own >4 to bots, so that I have a supply of
tickets. These tickets allow me to play basically at will, with the exception
of during new set releases, when I’ll have to bust out the credit card. On V4,
when I used any filters, it wouldn’t let me select all of my cards. So I tried
adding all the cards I own more than 4 copies of. This crashed the program. I
tried again, and it worked after freezing for a few minutes. However, now I had
almost all my basic lands in my trade binder. To remove them, I had to go version
by version, picture by picture. I gave up after a while, and tried to delete
the trade binder (you can’t). So I created a new trade binder, deleted the old
one. Now I filtered to just green, white, blue, black and red cards to avoid
adding basic lands to my trade binder (I accepted that I’d have to add
artifacts later). Well, MTGO V4 reads Basic Forest as a green card. I broke. I
started angrily tweeting that I was going to take up Hearthstone. Then I got
this response:
@paulrietzl So you don't have the time to learn about Trading Binders but you do to learn to play another game?
— Gabriel Gutierrez (@rockbard) September 9, 2014
This is what I’m
talking about. It's MY fault for not learning that forests are green? Forests
are fucking colorless bro. So yea, I blame you [Matt] and all the V4 defenders a
little.
Matt Sperling
And that's the
problem with institutionalized incompetence on the scale we now understand
we're dealing with; my assumption that Wizards will now be free to apply many
fixes and will do so quickly was almost as stupid as the Hasbro executive
saying on an earnings call that Hearthstone isn't a serious competitor to
Magic.
If they had the
talent, the organization, the leadership, the budget, and the vision to fix V4
relatively quickly, we'd never have V4 in the first place. So, mea culpa on
being an apologist for V4. Please accept my apology and a free M15 prerelease
sealed to make up for it.
From here, if I was
in charge of Hasbro, I would acquire a third party game design studio, shout about
the acquisition from the rooftops as loud as I could, and promise to release a
new Magic Online client by Q3 2015. Is this an unrealistic solution because the
cost would be so high? Well, whoever tells you that is exactly the person who
needs to have their incentives realigned. If it comes from the out of touch
leadership at Hasbro, then they deserve for Magic Online to be crushed into
relative obscurity by Hearthstone and whatever else. Even though it would
absolutely devastate me to see the game I love headed down the drain, if these
people had this big of a golden goose and could only manage to try over and
over to strangle it, why should I root for them?
They could invest a
lot of money now to essentially start over in a new way (read: new people in
charge and on the ground), or they can slowly start checking the golden goose
for visible ligature marks and petechial hemorrhaging (I have more time to
watch Law and Order SVU now that I don't play MTGO much).
Paul Rietzl
That’s the hidden
rainbow in this whole storm. I used to double and triple queue MTGO all the
time, and I could play fast enough on V3 that no one ever had to wait for me.
Now I get to read interesting articles on the internet, I’m more productive at
work, and we get to shoot the breeze about Obamacare. I’m a much more
well-rounded person. I go to too many live Magic tournaments to quit MTGO
entirely – I simply need it to prepare. And I hope one day the people will give
us a product that I can enjoy again. But I agree with everything you just said,
and I accept your apology.
Here are some
specific issues I have with V4 that I could come up with off the top of my
head:
1. Get rid of the
Are You Sure You Want to Close Magic Online feature. When I’m done, I’m done.
I’m not a child, and if I misclick I can log back on. It’s not like I’m
deleting a file.
2. Why do triggered
abilities require targeting require changing the size of the window before I
can click a target?
3. Why can’t we see
the top of both libraries at the same time?
4. Why does Courser
of Kruphix cause the top card of my library to cover my entire battlefield?
5. Why is it so hard
to move cards around in my hand? Why do they get stuck?
6. Why isn’t that
chat permanently anchored to the right side of the screen for all formats at
all times? How else can I tell what is going on?
7. Why are so many
cards bugged?
8. Why is there a
select all function during sealed deck building if it doesn’t work?
9. Why does the
client think basic lands have a color?
10. Where are
ratings?
11. Why is
everything so slow and laggy? My computer is not old.
12. Why do none of
the filters make any sense? I have 727 cards with Special rarity. What does
that mean?
13. Why does the
scroll function just stop working when perusing my collection? Why do the
pictures take so long to load?
14. Why does a
program that is so bad take up so much of my computer’s operating capability?
15. Why, after I click YES I want to
close Magic Online, does it take 1 minute, 31 seconds (last time I timed it)
for the program to actually close?
Now tell me about
Leroy Jenkins…
Matt Sperling
The best thing about
Leeroy Jenkins is that you can use him for a 10 minute game without setting
aside 3 hours or waiting between games. You can use Leeroy Jenkins on a Mac or
an iPad. You can learn how to attack with Leeroy Jenkins in a built-in tutorial
mode. You can convert your extra Leeroy Jenkinses into other cards without
dealing with robots or having to manually sort to find all your extra copies.
You can use Leeroy Jenkins on a computer or tablet that doesn't have gigabytes
of RAM waiting to be burned. When your friend sees you play a Leeroy Jenkins he
or she is unlikely to ask why the game looks like it's from 1998. People are
enabled and supported as they try to show Leeroy Jenkins to their friends and
fans on Twitch.tv. Leeroy Jenkins, when he does appear on Twitch.tv, has
animation and sound that add to the viewing experience. You can get Leeroy
Jenkins for free if you're willing to play enough and wait.
Most of those things
could and/or should apply to Chandra or Jace, not just Leeroy or Ragnaros. But
if Wizards keeps dropping the ball, you can be damn sure someone will
eventually pick it up and run with it.
Uh, that Twitter reply was definitely a reply to Paul saying that he gave up after 10 minutes of trying to figure out how to make a card playable (hint: right-click -> add to activate trade binder, identical functionality was in v3).
ReplyDeleteIf you want to be taken seriously, try to make sure your statements are accurate.
That's not a photo reproduction of my best guess of the tweet, it's the actual tweet, embedded using a link (you idiot). Click on the timestamp to see the tweet for yourself in its actual context before accusing me of fabricating the context.
DeleteYour arrogance is astonishing (you idiot).
DeleteI'm well aware of the tweets as I read them all yesterday. Paul did not articulate precisely what his trading issue was in the tweets, he simply complained that it took him ten minutes to figure out how to make something tradable and so uninstalled MTGO. The author of that reply I highly doubt was suggesting that Paul should've assumed that a Forest would be filtered as Green, he was replying to Paul's statement that 10 minutes of figuring out how to make something tradeable caused him to uninstall the entire program.
MTGO certainly has problems, but the arrogance and attitude that certain personalities exude is insane.
Look man, I've linked to my shit. Where is your link to Paul saying he spent only 10 minutes?? That just isn't what happened. I don't know what else to say. He tried for far longer than 10 minutes on more than 1 occasion to figure out trading and ran into several actual bugs and several other UX issues not technically bugs.
Deletehttps://twitter.com/paulrietzl/status/509403089577984000
DeleteIs that good enough for you to drop the arrogant asshole schtick?
Fair enough, he did say 10 min. He's tweeted about this a bunch of times though and even said essentially this is the day I gave up. Sorry for calling you an idiot, I thought you were saying the actual reply timeline was something I fabricated.
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DeleteSICK BURN
DeleteStimpy you Fool!!!!
DeleteDear StumpyRaccoon:
ReplyDeleteI don't think you read any of my tweets.
Best regards,
Paul
I did Paul, all of them. I even replied to the one shown here.
DeleteMatt, why does everyone think you're so arrogant?? You're definitely one of the nicer guys I've run into at events....when you're not playing Magic.
ReplyDelete-Some guy you've run into a few times at events in SoCal.
Having worked as a manager on a non-technical team at an online development company, I'll tell you exactly why someone didn't stand up and say "why are releasing this!?": When you're not on the tech team and you say those things, you're automatically labeled as a cynical naysayer that no one wants to work with, because you aren't enthusiastic about the product. In actuality, you are a realist, but no one wants to hear criticisms of their creations, especially from outside of their department.
ReplyDeleteI think it would be fun if you did more of these (sounds like Kibler hit his breaking point a few days ago over, of all things, the F8 button) or asked us lay people to share our break-point stories. At a minimum it would be entertaining, but it might provide WotC with a firm kick in the behind if enough people expressly stated that they tried to deal with the technology but they eventually gave up because it was such an awful experience.
ReplyDeleteUm... I was told there would be finger sandwiches and refreshments...?
ReplyDeleteYes, Paul, join us in Hearthstone. We're not as good of a game, but we're infinitely better than V4. Join us.
ReplyDeletePaul and Matt .... no no no, the website is a Puzzle. They are searching for The Last Starfighter!!! If you can solve it, they will fly you all expenses paid to the Planet Twilow to do battle with the giant spaghetti monster.
ReplyDeleteI am always grateful when people link articles on twitter so I don't need to actually visit the website to search for them.
ReplyDeleteItd be nice if Magic came out with a program similar to YGOpro for yugioh. Its an online system like magic online except that it automatically gives access to all cards and its free. The benefit to this program is that people can better test decks online before buying cards. you could also host tournaments on the magic version where winners could receive packs of cards in the mail.
ReplyDeleteFrankly, the first step to fix the problems at WOTCs astounding level of incompetence w. regards to MODO and the overall design and launch of the new site, is to fire those involved and go hire a company from the outside to fix / build 5.0.
ReplyDeleteWith everything Digital @ WOTC it's almost always been Amateur Night at the Apollo. Time to take off the Mickey Mouse gloves, lose the dead weight and build a proper product.
I didnt notice any problems with the game play because i hadnt needed to buy cards yet.. I just opened up my first trade with MTGOtraders and my computer started making noises and the fan started running extra fast and the game crashed.
ReplyDeleteThe fix is simple: Pay the market rate (or god forbid, above!) for talent that knows what they're doing. There's NO reason trades should be crashing for two weeks simply because you attempt to add a card that has a population of zero... especially when a basic function such as "select all" is missing.
ReplyDeleteM T G O is a card game that happens to be played on a computer , whereas hearthstone is a computer game that happens to use cards. this makes all the difference when it comes to their design. and explains why the paper version of MTG is successful, while the computer MT GO is Not.
ReplyDeletei don't know of a product that has been in development hell this long with such a crappy end product. at this point they are making the last duke nukem game look good. it dosen't take an it genius to go, hmm this is a buggy and really crappy product we probably shouldn't release this before beta testing a ton of bugs out. time for a new development studio. what amazes me is that people are stepping up to defend the v3 client. it was also garbage. where have leagues been? major features have been missing for over a year. smaller software studios release more complicated software every day. are you telling me that MTGO makes hasbo 0 dollars?
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